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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:33:15 No.504774141 View Reply Original Report

Ur gay edition

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:34:42 No.504774270 Report

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it takes 2 seconds to watch an anime girl 3d modelling tutorial to make your game not sell like shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:35:00 No.504774292 Report

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First for AIchads

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:35:34 No.504774353 Report

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>>504774141
reminder this thread is going to be deleted and to save your progress for the real thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:36:21 No.504774428 Report

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putting so much time into gamedev is the riskiest thing i've done in my life

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:36:48 No.504774468 Report

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>>504774353
Reminder that mods are gay and to post your progress anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:38:12 No.504774615 Report

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This thread is fine

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:40:28 No.504774831 Report

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Did you get Eric's new Spotify Wrapped message?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:42:58 No.504775048 Report

Quoted By: >>504775201

This thread is foul!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:44:04 No.504775163 Report

Quoted By: >>504775334 >>504775361

>try social media cause maybe i'll network or find cool stuff
>it's all just "activist" media about politics, politics, politics
>or it's shitty devs posting shitty memes and nothing of value

that's why i stay here

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:44:32 No.504775201 Report

Quoted By: >>504775994

>>504775048
Alice was literally made by a Christian mathematician while your "mascot" was sanctioned by the most deviant pope of the Catholic Church we ever got.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:46:03 No.504775334 Report

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>>504775163
The shitty devs are the worst: they just make crap to get attention and, once it dries up, they abandon that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:46:22 No.504775361 Report

Quoted By: >>504775519 >>504775779

>>504775163
cara dot app is cool as fuck, it's basically twitter/instagram but just for art stuff. I fucking love it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:47:08 No.504775424 Report

Quoted By: >>504775632

All the games I want to make are ones that deliberately inconvenience the player. There is no market for what I like...
For example, an FPS where the center of the screen does not equal the crosshair, and instead you have to align the body of your firearm with your sight manually. Or even something as simple as the original RE4 where Leon's aim is independent from the camera. Or encumbrance mechanics that actually serve to meaningfully balance the game's economy. All of this is stuff that people will not accept nowadays.

Ultra hard mode: a horror FPS on PC that does not allow for m+kb input, in order to better put you into the shoes of a character that does not have experience with using guns and can't just pop heads with 360° no-scopes. if a shooter doesn't have the most convenient and brain dead control schemes, players will consider it a bad game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:48:05 No.504775519 Report

Quoted By: >>504775632

>>504775361
nice, they do a good job training my ai's

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:49:26 No.504775632 Report

Quoted By: >>504775865

>>504775424
yeah that sounds horrible, please don't waste your time with that retarded bullshit

>>504775519
cara the social media platform does a good job training your AIs??? Or are you trying to trigger online art spergs with the mkultra activation phrase "AI"?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:49:47 No.504775669 Report

Quoted By: >>504775846

I mean, I already have like 38 races, hopefully I can get to 50 races in my game of anime girls.

then I can make them, like they are born from eggs, similar to ants.

Then they hatch into toddler girls.
Then they can evolve into 5 years age gap.

Using something like a magical crystal, after they have gained like 5 exp levels.

That way basically, I have 500 waifus to capture theoretically.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:50:57 No.504775779 Report

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>>504775361
>No Alisa v Strane chudes
>There is Die Unendliche Geschichte art and it's accurate to the book descriptions
Neat.

Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k

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Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:51:36 No.504775846 Report

Quoted By: >>504775983

>>504775669

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:51:52 No.504775865 Report

Quoted By: >>504776094

>>504775632
well, why should i listen to you? for all i know you're cattle that thinks games like vampire survivors and balatro are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:52:18 No.504775907 Report

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i never had an artistic vision. which is bad, because even though artistic vision can mean you are out of touch and you wont sell anything, it can also mean that you find motivation in it. motivation you wouldn't find otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:52:58 No.504775983 Report

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>>504775846
I am lacking the sci fi race, the demon, angel and elf race.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:53:09 No.504775994 Report

Quoted By: >>504777194

>>504775201
pope: shotafag
lewis: lolichad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:53:23 No.504776026 Report

Quoted By: >>504776203 >>504776252 >>504776272 >>504776513 >>504777221

games are inherently about overcoming challenges so why are players allergic to inconvenience of all kinds? it's like the game has to adapt to the player nowadays, not the other way around, otherwise it's a bad game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:54:03 No.504776094 Report

Quoted By: >>504776525

>>504775865
people who pay money for games like that shit, your shit sounds fucking gay my nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:55:13 No.504776203 Report

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>>504776026
>the game has to adapt to the player nowadays,
job

>not the other way around, otherwise it's a bad game.
hobby

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:55:39 No.504776252 Report

Quoted By: >>504776451

>>504776026
Challenge is good when I feel like I fucked something up.
Challenge is bad when I feel like the developer fucked something up.

i.e. Missing the roll timing on a Dark Souls boss feels like it was my fault. Having to run 2 miles back to the boss every time feels like it was the developer's fault (because I already have completed that challenge multiple times and there is nothing new to learn from it).

Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k

Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:55:49 No.504776272 Report

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>>504776026
target market issue

games targeting gamers will contain challenges

games targeting mass appeal will just be dopamine loops / skinner boxes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:57:53 No.504776451 Report

Quoted By: >>504776787

>>504776252
yea but this argument falls apart when there are so many players who are simply too short sighted to understand a deliberate design decision and tell it apart from a fuck up.
like nowadays people think og RE4 didn't allow you to shoot while moving because of some kind of development oversight, not as a deliberate design decision that made the game more tactical about positioning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:58:18 No.504776496 Report

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>>504774141
Making shooter AI. Assault behavior makes the npcs get stuck on corners and bunch up.
They're all moving toward the same position so I guess its better to spread them out somehow, while still having line of fire to the enemy.
But I dont know how to do that? Random sampling around the player seems stupid. And likely to break when distance varies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:58:26 No.504776513 Report

Quoted By: >>504776774

>>504776026
challenge for challenge sake can/is frustrating and unfun.
There's the high of overcoming but if you don't find a way to give a taste of it to the players, then they will drop off and discard your game as unfun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:58:31 No.504776525 Report

Quoted By: >>504777430 >>504777678

>>504776094
Ya I tend to agree. "Bad controls make it more realistic!" Fuck that shit. I wouldn't play it. Also encumbrance overall is gay and in many ways ruins a game like fallout 4. "Collect everything in the game because it WILL be needed if you want to build or update or craft anything, but also your encumbrance is so low you can't actually carry much of anything other than a few weapons." So it's like great, your "gameplay" is turning me into a fucking mule who goes back and forth all day. Fuck that gay shit. The feature should be crafting and building, not being a fucking mule. And then ya, throw on shitty aim, that'll make it even better!

Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k

Lofty !bWW8z/cf0k Wed 04 Dec 2024 15:59:30 No.504776619 Report

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organize them into squads and direct their motion using the estimated radius of the formation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:00:51 No.504776751 Report

Quoted By: >>504777936

you have no right to make judgements about the market and industry before you released 3 polished games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:01:00 No.504776774 Report

Quoted By: >>504778138

>>504776513
of course challenge for challenge's sake can be frustrating or unfun.
but nowadays people cannot tell that apart from challenge that serves a purpose. more than overcoming something via learning and satisfying execution of mechanics, games nowadays just need to activate the dopamine mines and shower you with bling bling and instant gratification instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:01:06 No.504776787 Report

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>>504776451
I mean it is going to be a feels argument no matter what.
There are going to be people who feel that Dark Souls is unfair no matter what. There are going to be people who feel that Mario Kart is unfair.
It's why you need a lot of different opinions and playtesting before you can make good decisions. (unless you have really good taste like me)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:04:59 No.504777143 Report

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I feel like the only time purposely annoying the shit out of the player with terrible controls works is if that's the whole game. There are many games like this, and streamers seem to like them. Easy to react to. Probably hard to get that right lighting in a bottle in order to make it, but it's a legitimate game.

But when the overall game is like, action, and you're selling an action game, and then you throw in some random "feature" to annoy everyone, I don't think it's wise. Two cases I can think of.

Gears of War 2. Massively slowed down the game. This was to make it more realistic. It made the games pvp AWFUL.

Super Smash Bros for the Wii. They added in a feature where you just randomly trip. And they slowed the game down MASSIVELY.

Both these games might have their fans, but are for sure not the most beloved versions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:05:31 No.504777194 Report

Quoted By: >>504778474

>>504775994
IIRC, Lewis Carroll was a badass when he was a boy, literally beating the shit out of other, larger boys and sticking up for the weaker ones. Then he went on to make significant contributions to Western writing whilst being a mathematician. And while doing all of this, he had a great social life.
You know, creeps will say his disdain for boys was a result of him being a pervert; I say he had a general disdain for men in general because his formative years was just him fighting against them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:05:49 No.504777221 Report

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>>504776026
you're at kindergarten levels of thinking about game design, and no pointing out that a lot of games out there are shit is not an excuse to stop thinking. Keep refining your knowledge and thoughts on game design until you have something more substantive to say, there's not enough insight or data to work with in a take like this. May as well talk to a 7 year old.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:06:34 No.504777291 Report

Quoted By: >>504777560

I notice the screenshots in System Shock Remake now have smooth texture filtering enabled
Did someone in marketing tell them that nearest neighbour doesn't appeal to a wide audience?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:07:57 No.504777430 Report

Quoted By: >>504777613

>>504776525
>"Bad controls make it more realistic!"
it's not about realism. just because cumbersome controls can be reflective of reality, doesn't mean they were put in for the sake of realism. it's about granularity more than anything. you can be inspired by the real world without making something that adheres to it just for the sake of it. for example, how will a game ever be able to give you the thrill of fumbling for a magazine while some slow, very durable zombie closes in on you in a corner if you can just pop heads repeatedly?

other example: it is more "realistic" to bind one hit of a combo to one button press. you know what is more convenient and less cumbersome? executing an entire combo string with a single button press. does the latter make a game better? did BOTW benefit from never requiring you to chop down a tree to make a make shift bridge in order to cross a ravine after the tutorial by giving you the convenience of the glider?

even if you disagree, I want you to think about it a bit before answering instead of doing a kneejerk response.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:09:04 No.504777518 Report

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I will remind them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:09:40 No.504777560 Report

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>>504777291
actually disgusting, NN filtering looks so fucking good when done right too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:10:09 No.504777613 Report

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>>504777430
Idk what you even want me to respond to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:10:17 No.504777625 Report

Quoted By: >>504777995 >>504778085

Reminder that whether a thread OP is on topic or not is completely up to general opinion. There are no hard rules about it. This means that the only reason why something is considered on topic or off topic is besed on who screams the loudest. The Total War general has been completely occupied by warhammer cultists going on 7 years now but you don't see their threads getting deleted because they are in agreement about it.
There are a vocal minority here that are provoked to seethe at alice. Did you ask me? Did you ask anyone for that matter? Who gave you the authority to decide what is on topic? If we put it to a vote do you think most people would agree with you? I'm also part of this community. Much longer than a lot of the outspoken people probably. I personally think alice is thread culture because I don't see how it is different than the rest of the schizophrenia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:10:21 No.504777630 Report

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fix your diet and yesdev will follow
low carb, no processed, no sugar

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:10:57 No.504777678 Report

Quoted By: >>504778312

>>504776525
>Also encumbrance overall is gay and in many ways ruins a game like fallout 4.
because in fallout 4 the mechanic is utterly meaningless and doesn't solve any problem or design question, it simply exists.
in dragon's dogma 2 for example, it directly impacts your stamina, movement speed, turn rate, and the weight of your body, so it's actually easier to knock down certain enemies with certain attacks when you're carrying more weight on you. is that not interesting? i personally like when a game tells me that going full loot goblin isn't always the way.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:11:48 No.504777757 Report

Quoted By: >>504777946 >>504778082

AI generated voice acting

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:13:34 No.504777936 Report

Quoted By: >>504778095

>>504776751
>you have no right
begone white woman! I can do whatever the hell i want, assume whatever i want, and judge whatever i want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:13:41 No.504777946 Report

Quoted By: >>504778406

>>504777757
better than having no game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:14:12 No.504777995 Report

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>>504777625
Good argument. Now watch as the Boojums scream about how this thread is "off-topic" and replace it with a state-approved Eric Barone dicksucking thread.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:14:42 No.504778040 Report

Quoted By: >>504778252

Wait, Epic actually added a feature that will help with performance and isn't designed to destroy your framerate?
and it got absolutely zero promotion?
wtf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:15:06 No.504778082 Report

Quoted By: >>504778406

>>504777757
Ey it aint much, but its good for a solo indie dev

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:15:06 No.504778085 Report

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>>504777625
who is alice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:15:12 No.504778095 Report

Quoted By: >>504778529

>>504777936
name one market that isn't over-saturated

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:15:33 No.504778138 Report

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>>504776774
I think that making a challenging skill based game to be a form of dance.
You have to provide the player with piece meal of challenge to not overwhelm them but just enough to motivate them. And then reward them for overcoming a boss or whatever.
But sure it's easier to shower the player with dopamine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:16:38 No.504778252 Report

Quoted By: >>504778363

>>504778040
silicone has hit its limit so there's no point in destroying performance further than it already is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:17:19 No.504778312 Report

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>>504777678
The only time I enjoy encumbrance is when it forces you to choose what gear to take. Limitation can be fun. When it turns your life into a chore though, it's not fun. It's fun to have a single shot rifle traveling through dangerous lands. It makes you move slow, to feel danger. You are not a god. But that's ruined when ok, you have a gun, but must collect 80,000 pieces of shit and need to run back and forth. Well that's not danger, now you're more like an employee of a merchant.

In your example I would say if affects gameplay in a fun way I'll allow it. But if it's too punishing I'm not a fan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:17:57 No.504778363 Report

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>>504778252
Tell them that. Every release has
>new graphics feature
That adds more milliseconds to the frametime of an engine that is already buckling on 90% of PCs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:18:12 No.504778393 Report

Quoted By: >>504778451 >>504778537

>encumberance is le bad because I wanna carry everything I wanna
not an argument entitled zoomertranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:18:21 No.504778406 Report

Quoted By: >>504778545 >>504778624

>>504777946
>>504778082
But I thought /agdg/ was against AI voice acting??

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:18:51 No.504778451 Report

Quoted By: >>504778707

>>504778393
Who are you talking to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:19:09 No.504778474 Report

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>>504777194
I care more about his fixation towards little girls, I feel like he's my spirit animal. If I were born during his time I would also be doing the same things as him such as writing poems about little girls and taking pictures of them but since I was born in modern times making video games about them is a more fitting choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:19:39 No.504778529 Report

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>>504778095
your mom

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:19:43 No.504778537 Report

Quoted By: >>504778817

>>504778393
Something I've noticed about AGDG is that they support absolute player autonomy no matter what.
>kill anyone you want
>carry anything you want
>super speed
>jump off anything
>etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:19:48 No.504778545 Report

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>>504778406
only the transgender artists in here

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:20:42 No.504778624 Report

Quoted By: >>504778882

>>504778406
What I personally against, is lazy shit. If the dev use AI because he cant afford VA, and has a shitty voice acting skill, then why not?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:21:32 No.504778707 Report

Quoted By: >>504778868

>>504778451
Explain what your actual problem is with encumbrance. Inventory limiting is such a no-brainer obvious mandatory gameplay element that the fact you can't wrap your head around it shows me you are the dumbest gorilla retard in this whole place

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:22:08 No.504778761 Report

Quoted By: >>504779089 >>504779092

interestingly you never really hear anyth negative about the inventory limit of a game like diablo, even from the same camp of people who would mod encumbrance out of a game like stalker or dragon's dogma.
and I think that's simply a matter of framing that somehow cheekily bypasses their awareness of their own distaste for it.

I think about this often. for example in World of Warcraft there's this rested exp and normal exp concept. Originally, it was actually different, but only in framing. What is now called rested exp was just regular exp, and what is now the normal exp was your character being tired from playing too much. Nothing about how the system functions was changed, nothing at all. It works the exact same way, the only thing that has changed is the framing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:22:41 No.504778817 Report

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>>504778537
nodev talk that doesn't understand appeal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:23:19 No.504778868 Report

Quoted By: >>504779184

>>504778707
I explained my reasoning many times. You're just a fucking retard who's to much of a pussy to quote anyone. So you talk to yourself and win arguments against yourself. Fuck you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:23:32 No.504778882 Report

Quoted By: >>504779048

>>504778624
I'm against lazy artists and lazy VAs.
If your acting / art skills is worse than AI, then you should find a new career.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:25:16 No.504779048 Report

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>>504778882
Who the fuck are you? Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:25:45 No.504779089 Report

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>>504778761
It's the amount you have to collect, and what you're collecting. It's annoying when you don't know if you'll need something. Which isn't too much of a problem in diablo, but is a major project in fallout. You don't know if you'll need a fucking fan in some schematics found later on. And the sheer amount of shit you need in fallout is absurd. Diablo is more focused. And heading back to time is quick and easy. I'm speaking mostly of D2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:25:48 No.504779092 Report

Quoted By: >>504779201

>>504778761
1) It's less abstract in Diablo. You can see how much space you have and how space your items can take up. In Skyrim it's just a number.

2) Because I can see my inventory when I go to loot a body, I can easily parse how much room I have and what items are actually worth taking. In Skyrim I just take everything until I get to the point where I am over-encumbered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:26:47 No.504779184 Report

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>>504778868
> "Collect everything in the game because it WILL be needed if you want to build or update or craft anything, but also your encumbrance is so low you can't actually carry much of anything other than a few weapons."
>The only time I enjoy encumbrance is when it forces you to choose what gear to take. Limitation can be fun. When it turns your life into a chore though, it's not fun
who the fuck is forcing you to haul a thousand tons of loot around you fucking sperg. At no point the game is holding a gun to your head making you do that. The game throws so much loot at you that if you were able to carry all of it there would be nothing stopping you from just becoming an overstocked billionaire with stockpiles of every weapon for years. Use your fucking brain for one second

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2024 16:26:55 No.504779201 Report

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>>504779092
Why do you obsessively take junk items in a game like Skyrim?

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